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Post by KC on Mar 12, 2010 23:56:15 GMT -5
This is a Jury tradtion - the Final 3 Debate thread.
Please don't use this thread for bullshit and chatter, use the other threads for that. Use this thread to simply have an intelligent debate on who deserves to win out of the current final three.
Once eviction is up, the final juror will join you and he or she can join in on the debate here.
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Post by KC on Mar 13, 2010 0:11:32 GMT -5
Also just to note, keep in mind I reserve the right to kick anyone off the jury if I feel they're not active enough. I don't think I'll run into this problem since you all seem to be. But with an extremely active pre-jury, preventing what happened last season will be easy.
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Post by Sarah on Mar 13, 2010 0:13:56 GMT -5
hi
so i think nak deserves to win because of her standing in the game and her knowledge of things going on around on her, for the most part. she had a critical part in the week david was evicted and helped in janelle's eviction. she knew about the two sides and was even invited to join the big ass HOH alliance at one point.
She was a personal target of mine for a large portion of the beginning of the game. She assisted in some critical decisions that both Nate and myself had our hands in. I think her jury answers are gonna reveal more about her game than people give her credit for though.
Amy did pick up her game towards the end of the game, but the reason her evicting me didnt bite her in the ass the same way jee's nominations did bite him in the ass is because she was seen as a non threat whereas jee was seen as the opposite.
an important lesson is learned here though. if u suck at competitions, u can basically do whatever u want cuz no one will evict u... lol. i dont think amy played a terrible game though. i think she did well, i just dont think its comparable to nakomis.
james seemed to burn bridges with the jury just for kicks. i dont see him as deserving of the win just based on the fact that he didn't care to give a shit about the votes in the end.
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Post by Nathan on Mar 13, 2010 0:33:53 GMT -5
Amy did not pick her game up in the end at all. She road coat tails the whole game. She got lucky as shit with everyone keeping her safe because she sucked at competitions. It doesn't take any skill to play that strategy, look what Jordan did in the real big brother  ZING! "OHHH Nathan your a bitter juror, you're just pissed she evicted yo ass. You're fake and gay!" |
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Post by Sarah on Mar 13, 2010 0:56:30 GMT -5
what i meant by "she picked it up in the end" was that she was no longer invisible because let's face it, that's what she was until about F9 when she was nominated 2 weeks in a row.
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Post by Jee Choe on Mar 13, 2010 11:54:23 GMT -5
Well it's hard to be invisible towards the end... cuz you're like i need to nominate someone and you go OH i forgot about you....
i agree with nathan i think she road coattails, but i could be wrong
she relied on her weakness to keep her in the game, that was literally her arguement to me idk why
Even for your eviction i think she might've just been following erika the whole time as well
and she got lucky winning that last veto comp =X
james has made big moves in the game taking both sarah and drew
but he's pissed a lot of ppl off and made dumb moves
nakomis we have no need to say we pretty much know she's played an awesome game all around
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Post by Sarah on Mar 13, 2010 12:21:02 GMT -5
yeah, i wont deny the fact that James evicting me was a good move, especially for him. Drew's eviction wasn't much of a big move. People thought he was such a huge threat when he really wasn't at all. And really, the reason Drew left was because Nathan decided he needed to. James' desires played absolutely no part in Drew's eviction. He nominated him, but that's basically it.
[btw, drew was roddy in urtv3]
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Post by Erika Landin on Mar 13, 2010 13:39:16 GMT -5
Okay, so I think Cheesey deserves to win. (no shock there  ). In my opinion she really picked her game up toward the end and was able to use the people around her to get where she is. She may not be the best at competitions, but her social game was good and she really did root herself strongly with people. She got rid of the people who would be threats at the end and made sure those who were wishy washy we're outted. On top of that, she was like my only ally this game so yay. Her game might have been dirty, but if we're going to be bitter cunts that's really lame. As for James, I think he played a good game, although people seem to hate him for it. He did win challenges, and he talked to me at least. I think he might not have had the strongest personality out of Amy and Naky, although not much personality with Naky anyways. I think he did make bold moves though, and he was loyal to me which I am happy for. So he's probably my second choice for a vote. As for Naky, um...I pretty much fail to see anything she did this whole game. We only really started talking like over a month + into the game, and she had some lame excuse about being busy when I damn right know she was talking to other people. You can ignore people, but it will bite you in the end. She won some comps. yeah...but overall I find her boring and lacking in general. Sure she was a strong person, maybe due to her alliances or whatever, but I don't see that as credibility to win the game. Won't be recieving my vote.  |
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Post by Sarah on Mar 13, 2010 14:28:42 GMT -5
Erika, I'm not sure you are aware of this, but the first half of the game, Amy basically did everything me and Nate told her to and in some weeks, she would just listen to me without so much as a hesitation. We would discuss what to do and she basically just agreed with everything and I fail to see how that means she played a great game. She evicted me and although it didn't hurt her game in the end, it still remains a terrible move and like i stated before, if she wasn't seen as such a non threat, i assure you that she would be sitting here in your place right now. I don't see that as such a respectable thing.
I had a relationship with all three of them. Talking to James almost felt like a chore to me. His social game was minimal and obviously lacking, seeing as how 80% of the people in the game disliked him. I believe there are about 4-5 people who can honestly say they actually liked the guy. He didn't do much either. He hid behind the giant alliance for the first half of the game and then attempted to get Nate evicted, but he won the veto so with or without his coup d'etat, nate would have been safe . I think his biggest move was his last HOH where he nominated and then evicted me. Prior to that, he didn't make a single good decision and i know this because i actually had a hand in every single eviction [except kaysar's cuz i voted to evict james that week] up until i was evicted.
Nakomis did do a lot. I was close to her as well and she helped bring down the HOH alliance, along with me and Nathan. She was close to David and she turned everything on its head because she used that trust to change the entire course of the game.
She told me things that David told her and I used them to my advantage.
For some reason, people thought that she and I were super close when in fact, the first half of the game was me trying to get Nathan to "see" that Nakomis was not to be trusted and when the rumours started about her and I, we got close and closer until we were super close. She had a say in a lot of what went on in the game. Drew wasn't the "leader" of their alliance, I would have pegged Nakomis for that role. She was loyal, smart and made lots of moves to not only advance herself in the game, but the people she was close to as well.
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Post by Erika Landin on Mar 13, 2010 15:40:16 GMT -5
Erika, I'm not sure you are aware of this, but the first half of the game, Amy basically did everything me and Nate told her to and in some weeks, she would just listen to me without so much as a hesitation. We would discuss what to do and she basically just agreed with everything and I fail to see how that means she played a great game. She evicted me and although it didn't hurt her game in the end, it still remains a terrible move and like i stated before, if she wasn't seen as such a non threat, i assure you that she would be sitting here in your place right now. I don't see that as such a respectable thing. Evicting you wasn't a terrible move, Sarah. You neglect to see how close I was with Amy. We discussed it and said you needed to go. It was smart, if you made it to the end with one of us I'm sure you would have won. And you would have taken Nathan anyways as it seems now, so you kind of would have been a dead cause to the both of us anyways. One of the reasons I would vote for her is probably because we established our alliance when Jordan was evicted (around there) and that she was the only one I really can say I was aligned with. Because clearly Nathan and me had a shit alliance, and James was kind of all over the place. We both had planned on taking each other to the Final Two anyways. Again...James talked to me more than Naky did and he did kind of reach out to me when I had no one. Maybe her trying to talk to more would have helped me realize she did stuff. It's hard to vote for someone that you seemingly hardly know, especially when your top ally is pegged against them. |
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Post by Nathan on Mar 13, 2010 15:50:51 GMT -5
let's keep the discussion to James and Nakomis Amy will be evicted... js |
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Post by Sarah on Mar 13, 2010 15:54:01 GMT -5
i totally get what u mean about the end game, but if amy was a challenge threat, we both know she would have been gone the week u were. what im trying to say is, she survived those weeks following my eviction because she wasn't a threat and not because of any masterful gameplay on her part.
and im totally not knocking you for how you choose to vote, its your prerogative, but the reason im leaning one way over another doesn't have anything to do with me being bitter. im usually much different. i dont NOT vote for someone cuz they screwed me, but i usually vote for someone for about the same reasons why you're probably gonna vote amy if she makes it to f2. it's totally fine, but im not being bitter at all. sure, im upset on a personal level, but whatever, it's over. i am gonna vote on who played the better game though, throughout the entire game and not just the last 4-5 weeks... and when i say the better game, i mean ALL aspects of the game. Seeing as how I am usually a social player above anything else, that's probably gonna be my biggest deciding factor and is probably why James has hardly any chance of getting my vote.
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Post by Sarah on Mar 13, 2010 16:02:54 GMT -5
let's keep the discussion to James and Nakomis Amy will be evicted... js i dont know nathan, james isnt the sharpest tool in the shed, lol. |
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Post by Sarah on Mar 15, 2010 0:04:23 GMT -5
God, Nak made a terrible move by evicting James.
Her jury answers better be amazing.
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Post by James Rhine on Mar 15, 2010 0:14:06 GMT -5
well if I'm going to add my two cents...
From what I know of what went down during the game, I'd say Nak played a much better game than Amy. Nakomis has not only won more competitions, but she made bigger moves than Amy did. If I had won that final HOH, I'd have taken Nakomis with me, even if it meant losing.
At a certain point in the game, I started to not really care what happened, that's why I was all over the place. If I burned enough bridges with jury members, well then they couldn't all take it personally right?
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